Above, we have another whos totally clueless, has little or no knowledge of this case, but is happy to display his/her ignorance with a rant based on limited knowledge learned from biased documentaries who thinks that by using offensive and insulting language itll influence those who support Rorrer into changing their opinions. If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. Patricia Prue to undergo 2nd competency exam, Your California Privacy Rights / Privacy Policy. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. Patricia Prue also expressed remorse for her husband's actions. Marsicovetere cited studies done by several doctors during pretrial proceedings, saying that they determined Patricia Prue suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder and might suffer from dissociative identity disorder as well. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? A federal jury found Yassein Abdulfatah Said, 59, guilty on one count of conspiracy to conceal a person from arrest, one count of concealing a person from arrest and one count of conspiracy to obstruct an official proceeding. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. The person who killed Joann is currently serving a life sentence because 10 months after Joann and Alex died, he killed another woman (who bore a striking resemblance to Joann) and her baby. Browns action to grant clemency was rescinded after discovering that Patricia Wright had two prior felonies from when her son stole two 99-cent toys and a hand towel from an open house 15 years earlier. Her sister stated shed had a religious obsession since she was a child. Follow her on Twitter at www.twitter.com/LizMurraySMC. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Hair we go. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. j} [gut('bIKL|kY4`a;]MQ p2x $kw. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. If you can tear yourself away from your obsessive mentality, you can see what virtually amounts to the tampering to which I referred. Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. It has very bad energy. They are total bs. The difference between the cases was that the child was not injured and the individual wrote down the details of the plan in a notebook, but otherwise it seems extremely similar to me. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. One on one? How so? Patricia pled guilty on April 2, 1990. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father Calling her ex because she just likes to stay in touch w peopleLOL! They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. I dont think so. Youre absolutely right!! New state, new man. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Patricia and her defense team denied that allegation and said she owned her home, had no financial issues and that Jerome was dying of liver cancer and only had 60 days to live. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. Its nine minutes into the video. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. (Disclaimer: Im not a big fan of eyewitnesses who come forward years after the fact, but its possible). I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty. Unbloody vehicle. Am I missing something? After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Look into it. Ten months after Joann died he murdered another woman (who looks just like her) and her baby, as well. Nope. It says that Andrew reported the cut phone lines and broken pad lock was reported to the police at 10:30. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Its totally irrelevant. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. She is the one who tricked them, first by Puny policy. Any subsequent proof emerging and then revealed in a book or documentary is surely something that should be taken seriously and investigated if necessary. And its argued that it has been and dismissed as insignificant or irrelevant. In 1995, Larry Wright was facing a 10-year sentence for two felonies, risk of an injury to a minor and violating a restraining order, and a misdemeanor for threatening by saying, Im going to kill you, to his wife after he caught her cheating. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. Out of the two hairs found in the car only one had enough root to perform a DNA match which did match but police waited to arrest Patricia until a highly advanced and accurate match could be made, which took a year. Amina was 18 years old and was shot two times and Sarah was 17 All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Deal refused. I noticed that her defense lawyer and others advocating for her is not mentioning more about the gun. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. Too many people testified as to the type of person she was. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). She has no means to reply or rebut this outrageous slurs and these forums are the only way I know where people may become aware of the wrongful conviction of innocent person and equally, those who happily believe all the adverse and damaging comments. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Exactly We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. But none of those charges ever stuck. No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Forensic Files didnt mention it, but the hairs were actually brown at the top and the rest dyed blond, according to the show Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction. Other loyal friends and associates attested to Patricias kindness toward horses and devotion to her daughter, whom she took along as she worked in stables. You should be ashamed of yourself. "As horrible as Ms. Jenkins death was, it should stand for something," Marsicovetere said. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. But let me say in my defence, I have not attacked anyone on this particular site with outright rudeness, to which you allude, albeit some of them deserved a retort of some substance. Sorry not sorry. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. He had worked as a semi-pro boxer in Las Vegas in his youth and later settled into his own construction business. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. Instead, he hid for 12 years until the FBI found him in a relatives home in Denton County. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. I happen to be one of those deluded people youre so freely attempting to insult. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. Despite the new evidence and hypotheses, the courts have rejected all of Patricias bids for a new trial. And the obvious answer is that the makers too think the evidence is against her. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Patricia Cole, a veteran copy editor whose sharp eye, quick wit and kind heart made her a cherished colleague at NPR and other news outlets, died on Friday at age 46, Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. It was total shock. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. In your future life in prison I trust that not a day goes by in which you won't revisit your crime.". That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. It's been a long three years for them.". Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Re Sells, the problem viz some serial killers is in exaggerating the number as a badge of honour. The sisters, who were students at Lewisville High School, were found dead in their fathers taxi in Irving. Armed homeowners Mark and Patricia McCloskey stood in front of their house in June 2020, confronting protesters who were marching to St. Louis Mayor Lyda Krewson's The police considered the possibility that Joann ran away, a theory disputed by her family. "Yaser Said, you're a devil. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports is also available on YouTube, but it costs $1.99 to view (Keith comes off as an advocate for Patricias innocence on the episode). Dance defense. I most definitely will not personally afford Patricia a platform, Michael said in an email to ForensicFilesNow.com She had her chance to answer my questions and tell her story in court over 20 years ago. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Police couldnt determine whether the baby died of exposure or suffocation. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. During Patricias hours-long turn in the witness chair, Michael McIntyre grilled her relentlessly. Phone records dont lie.) Joann was fun, likable, beautiful, always happy, said her sister-in-law Cindy Wiard. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Killers can plan all the details and alibis well ahead of the murder while cops must come up with hard evidence, even just to make an arrest. 8/9/2022 Yaser Said was convicted of capital murder Tuesday in the 2008 fatal shootings of his two teenage daughters, 18-year-old Amina Said and 17-year-old Sarah Said. A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. Jenkins' assailant Patricia Prue was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole on Friday after deciding to plead guilty the day before to charges of aggravated attempted murder, kidnapping and conspiracy. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. This was a horrible and brutal double murder and whoever did it needs to be locked up forever. Police identified the pair as Joann and Alex Katrinak. However, that first theory very neatly allows the cops to further theorise that the gun she once owned (which had a history of jamming after the first shot) was the one used at the murder. Is Dallas becoming unaffordable due to rising housing costs, inflation and stagnating pay? Just one example. And why would the judge not let the information about Jerome being a homosexual be known to the jury.. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Locked up. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Jerry Browns office. Jenkins' family left the courtroom without comment on Friday, but they hugged each other once the sentence was ordered. What evidence is there she actually left the state? Hoist by your own petard. You murdered your girls," she said. A knife and the clothing worn by the victim potentially had all of the answers that would have led to the real murderer, but that evidence was destroyed by the LAPD. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Mr. Said harbored his father, Yaser, inside an apartment in Bedford, Texas, where a maintenance worker spotted Yaser on Aug. 14, 2017. Both sides agree Joann hung up on Patricia. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. The trial was taking so much of my time. On closer inspection, he saw it was the body of a woman. There was a push for a mistrial, but a 16-year prison sentence was negotiated instead. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. Patty is my cousin. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! She won't see them graduate from college. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. Patricia had a knack for writing strong headlines, which won her first place in a 2012 national contest. 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And your attempt to draw a distinction between a fact and an opinion! Nine. Prosecutor pounds away. Joanne didnt go missing until December 15, an entire week and a day later. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Throughout the process, she heard many community members waiting for the proceedings to be over. At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Andy did end up moving to Colorado with her and the last time I checked, they were still together. Despite the fact it has never been proved thats exactly how it happened, it seems to be accepted as fact it could just as possibly have been the other way round, beaten and then shot. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. SHAME ON THEM. Mal told Keith Morrison that Patricias dance teacher originally confirmed her alibi that she was in class on the day of the murder, then changed his mind. A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. . Patricia was relieved when police took him for custody after 12 years of her daughter's murder. Not everything is a conspiracy. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. There is way too much doubt in this case for my comfort. And when Patricia was taken into custody where they removed 39 hairs with root, and then all of a sudden after the FBI report say that the hair tested had NO ROOT ATTACHED, the hair tested had a root? Thank you, this is a very interesting comment. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. Lead Prosecutor Lauren Black called Said a true narcissist who believed he was smarter than everybody else. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Wow. After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Re Routier, the claim that she inflicted a potentially fatal injury on herself by no means indicates another perp: she could have inflicted it in ignorance, as a suicide attempt, or in a semi-psychotic state. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. 5 years prior to all this happening! Have you watched any of the documentaries Ive mentioned? "It's been an honor and privilege to stand up and be an advocate for Sarah. Whatever the truth is. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! As for Joanns parents, her father died a year after the murder. For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. What definition? Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. The phone wire was located at the opposite end of the basement, which was dark. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together.
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