Thanks for your replies. Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. That Blackhawk in .357 Maximum was a very short lived gun. I really like my lever guns, also have a early JM guide gun in 45-70 and also one in 450 Marlin. If you have some, enjoy them. It lacks a top-mounted rail (you can still install one, the receiver is pre-tapped). I prefer flatnose or roundnose designs in this velocity range because they typically demonstrate better expansion than Spitzers at the same velocity. Ruger developed a Blackhawk specifically for the cartridge, but word of barrel erosion and "flame cutting" came to light quickly and production of the revolver was ceased with only about 400 produced. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. by Hobie Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:55 pm, Post by Griff Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:22 pm, Post At least it can use use the same bullets as my Smiths. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. I really do want a .357 levergunbut Im perfectly confident in my .30-30. I really want to get one in .357 mag. Instead of repeating all the details, Ill just post the link below. Being forced to use the Winchester Trapper, the horror. Thompson Center manufactures the Contender in .357 Remington Maximum still. The one i have now has bllard rifling which is accurate with jacketed or lead bullets. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. Also, the flame proved to be hard on the rear end of the barrel, rapidly destroying the smooth taper of the forcing cone.The makers involved cleared their drawing boards and mandated corrections. Emailed them and apparently they dont have wood parts that would fit. They should come from the factory that way. This rifle will be used for S. Michigan Deer so I'm primarily looking for favorite powder and pet loads. Through the years, the company continued to expand and . Not question those who do or did so, cause theres something special about shooting a lever action. Pricey, but they take down to a package about 20 inches long without sacrificing accuracy and are very well made. SIG Sauer P365 Pistol Now Offered in .380, Casting Your Own Bullets for Lever-Action Rifles, The Staying Power of the .257 Roberts Cartridge, 10mm Firepower: Springfield XD-M Elite 3.8 Compact Pistol Review, 5 Best Long-Range Hunting Bullets Available Right Now, A World Record Attempt: Practice Round and Media Day, Interview with Israeli Defense Forces, Part 1. It fails to cause antis to have uncontrollable, explosive decompression of the space inside the colon? First, I was a guy who dropped the idea, except for a special-purpose handload. A number of employees punched these rifles out to .357 Maximum and were very happy with the field results. [2] Shortly thereafter, Dan Wesson Firearms and Thompson/Center Arms introduced firearms in this cartridge. You want a 357 Max rifle, best to go to MGM with Encore barrel, with Bellm's chambering. Also, the Contender comes in longer barrel lengths than the 7.5 and 10.5 inch barrels that Ruger made the Blackhawk with for the .357 Rem. Mikey Hartman, Lt. Col. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. Its sad that this is a bonus, but for many Americans it is exactly that. Was a great gun.I wish someone should resurrect it. They averaged 1810fps out of my Marlin. by Tycer Thu Jul 19, 2012 8:57 pm, Post The most common include: There are other firearms chambered in the maximum, but their availability is limited and prices can be high. A 20 1892 weighs just over 6 lbs loaded. MGM's .357 Maximum chamber has an excellent .358" diameter cylindrical throat, stepped down to .357" far, far superior to factory forcing cone chambers, and very similar to my throating. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 9:36 am, Post I sold both rather quickly. Other brands and types of lead core handgun bullets tend to blow up and not penetrate into vital organs when driven at rifle velocities close in. Springfield Armory SA-35 Pistol: Rebirth of the Browning P-35 Hi-Power. We will take a look back at a stock revolver and its misunderstood cartridge called the .357 Maximum.Originally conceived by the late Elgin Gates and called the .357 SuperMag, the new round was very straightforward. Two million signatures needed by Nov 17 to qualify for a 2021 Special Election. So naturally, I'm looking at different options and trying to figure out what has the longest range. Of commonly available rifles, 444 marlin seems to be near the top of the heap, ballistics wise. version of the .375 supermag (1.61 in.) Did you go with the .375 Supermag rather than the .375 Winchester due to case length restrictions? JM Browning did design a lot of the Winchester lever action rifles. Me personally I will gladly take an 1892 or 1894 in .357 instead of a black rifle.. I use regular .38 Special/.357 Magnum dies to load my .357 Maximum ammo. Customer experience was, and still is, the primary focus, a key to the firms longevity and success. I shot 180 hardcast lead both from Buffalo Bore and HSM bear loads. Cheap factory 158gr LRN is subsonic and stupid quiet for those that are complete hereticslike meand suppress their levers. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . .38-40. Such a great gun I wish theyd never discontinued them. No joke. Among their improvements was a revision to the receiver for their model of 1894. Bullets manufactured by Hornady. by elmo123 Fri Aug 10, 2012 10:11 pm, Post With that said, should your fancy be tickled, here are five .357 Magnum lever action rifles to look for. Since this is a single-shot firearm, there is no potential for flame cutting, and the true potential of this cartridge is realized. And as far as lever action rifles in pistol calibersthey have never been irrelevant over their 150 year history. Who knows what the future will bring and if the wife and I will one day move out of this state, but for now we have good jobs, good friends, a good church, no debt, and hope that the current angst against Newsom and the Left in general will bring about some degree of change in November. It is the perfect .357 Max rifle bullet. 05-25-2020 . Then expand and retool , upgrade if you find its your thing. Although a crimp is not required for a single-shot firearm, I crimp anyway. As long as components are available, I can handload for it. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. 30-30 is always a good option. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Im still waiting for someone to make a 357 in. Last one I owned was an 1889 Marlin in .44-40. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. So when they become available, people on this blog will be talking about them. lets say it was well used and not maintained. The 2350 fps 150gr .30-30 is 1850 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. Not all rifles need to be used to kill commies. Long loaded 357 Mag should still be accurate in the 360 and are great for fun shooting. 38 wad cutters and 357 mag, I have a 357 maximum but I dont reload can I buy a box. (Photo: Winchester) The pre-lawyer Rossi 92s are nice guns. Based on the Encore being ok for the 270, up to 65,000 psi is Ok. When Remington put the special round into production, it got a new (and prophetic) name: .357 Maximum. marcJ (author) from Mid-MO on July 21, 2015: After becoming accustomed to the cartridge and it's range of uses, I too couldn't believe it never caught on commercially. No more squirrel. I doubt nothing that Taffin says, but we both know that no gun maker will ever live with that kind of visible damage.But let's step back and look at what the .357 Maximum was designed to do. As to market, a very subjective matter. .357 Maximum loaded with Our 200g Hollow Point gas checked to produce zero leading even at full speed. You have entered an incorrect email address! We do not charge additional fees for credit cards. . I think a lot of it is people who do not come from a hunting background and just want to look cool. by AJMD429 Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:17 pm, Post You can find handguns in the .357 Remington Maximum, but prices vary. Larger game such as elk or black bear warrant a more substantial cartridge and hunting game on the open plains of the West requires more power and a flatter trajectory. I still have a safe full of ARs, but thinking this Marlin is going to be seeing a lot more range time than they will. I do like the other pistols but somehow I always end up back at one of those two. Get your barrels customized early for next season! Walther's new Performance Duty Pistol is ready for both concealed carry and conventional service situations. .44-40. Not a bad option if you are living in a slave state. someguy2800, Jul 12, 2019 #7 Eagle 17 and Bfh_auto like this. Fully agree with this. This is the same bullet we've used with great sucess in the .35 Rem loads. From reloading to bullet selection, reloading powder choice and factory ammunit. It was even out of warranty and they took care of it no charge. It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. It shoots deadly accurate and has amazingly smooth trigger action. Problem is, because of the pandemic, and an election year, like all the ammo, there isnt any to be had, in the Pacific Northwest anyway. I would like to try Reloader 7 with bullets heavier than 180 grains. If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. HINT: Academy has Henry Steel Big Boys in stock today, July 29th, for $730. This allows, again, for higher velocities and energies than the revolvers made by Ruger and Smith & Wesson. Optimize the potentials of the .357 MAGnum by long rethroating the factory chamber. Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. But stoke it up and hear that little dog bark like a big dog! He cleaned that up. Since the rules have changed again effective this fall I have came up with another case based on the 444 marlin necked to .375 at 1.8 inches long. Trust me. using H4227 and H110. 1,254 max in one manual . Industry specs call out a 158-grain bullet at a velocity of 1,800 fps and a 180-grain bullet at 1,530 fps, both from a 10.5-inch vented test barrel. Who needs a semi auto rifle. Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. I know jack-all about lever guns except what I saw on The Rifleman growing up. Shop 357 Magnum ammo online for hunting, self defense, and target practice. (left) vs. .357 Magnum (Right). Take a lever action over an AR every day. Theyre also legal everywhere, even states with the most draconian gun control. For me, a Max levergun would only be desirable if it would cycle Mags and possibly Specials as well. @ Ed Palumbo. Auction (145) Available with matte finish on steel frames and a highly polished finish on hardened brass frames, these elegantly simple rifles feature 22" round barrels, fully adjustable folding leaf rear sight and brass bead front sights we use on the lever actions, a drilled and tapped provision for optional scope use, walnut front and rear furniture, a The receiver was warped slightly outward, he pressed it back into line. Most of our deer were harvested at 30-45 yards. As a reloader, I will say that I have affection for the ease of use/reuse of straight walled cartridges and, thus, am a bit more fond of 10mm but, .357 sig certainly has merit. Hodgdon starting load for the 140 gr. Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. But do you know how to properly use them? Please contact us with any questions, or for purchase options. Im just trying to figure out why in the hell a Marlin 357 lever gun has to retail at nearly 3 times what the same gun in 30-30 retails for. Unfortunately it caught the Remlin disease and had to be sent to the ship for some warranty work. Show Only Non-Guns. Just, reading the article reminded me about it. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. NEF 357 Mag camo syn stocks with camo Nikon . I have one, and they are very nice, but spendy, and very hard to come by. It has always had a good trigger but now it has one of those Ive fired it about 50,000 times trigger jobs and is as smooth and sweet as any trigger Ive owned. Ha. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. My Name. I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. Subscriber Services. Also, after breaking it in, the Rossis action (which is the major criticism for this gun) was just as smooth as the Winchesters, Marlins and Henrys I have shot. We used Small Rifle primers for all load data, and they did fine with the propellants we tested. The .357 and .45 Colt are best at bowhunting distances inside 50 yards. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. .357 velocities peak in a 16 barrel and decrease thereafter. Pic is 5 shots with 21.0 gr, 3 of the 5 in 3/4" but all 5 is 1.5". This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. The .357 Rem. I kept still hoping that they couldnt climb a tree. Ill just be here waiting on .357 lever guns to be relevant. This is the showpiece among Winchesters 1873 model range, and it had better be with a price tag at around $1,800. #17. Then came panic buying of guns and ammo due to social unrest, and of course its a an election year. This is because revolvers allow a certain amount of gas to escape as the bullet jumps from the cylinder to the forcing cone, meaning lost pressure. These comments are directed at the people say there is no ammo to buy, or its too expensive. Please enjoy those guns with your family on my behalf, as I will not be purchasing **anything** in CA in my continuing quest to remain off the CADOJs books. Its cheaper than a lot of other calibers to shoot with minimal felt recoil. They tried fixing it with a (I think it was either titanium or stainless steel insert) but the Jeanie was already out of the bottle and they were dropped. 2/ there are other living constraints and issues that make reloading not an option at this time. I have a MGM barrel 24" ProHunter Contour 1:14 twist which allows me to shoot 180 grain bullets and above extremely well. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. Nosler, and Speer reloading manuals all recommend the use of rifle (rather than pistol) primers due to the high operating pressure of the .357 Maximum. Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. There are even night sights available from aftermarket suppliers. Some additional info on Fury Bullets, Detroit, MI. Look around on the internet. Slip Top 50 Red Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. This means that hunters are able to control the firearm much better, making more accurate and effective shots. and i personally think the word tactical and the word options are interchangeable. Given its performance for me in those cases it seems it would make an excellent powder for use in the 357 in rifles. I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. Somewhere around 7,500 guns were made. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:46 am, Post Rethroating, .357 Magnum barrels and rechambering to .357 Remington Maximum and Winchesters new .350 Legend. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Every time TTAG runs a lever gun article I want one. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. A heavily worn gun that had been drilled vertically thru the buttstock, the barrel, magazine tube and lag-bolted across beams in the ceiling of some bar in northern Arizona. 350 Ledgend vs 357 Rem Max | Bloodydecks Latest posts Offshore They're here!!! Email Mike at mike@357maximum.net or call 541 956 6938. Well I did some research and got the ballistics for commercial .357 Magnum ammunition fired from a rifle. 1. It is the .357 Remington Maximum. Ive had a similar experience. You can boost the Unique up to around 11-12 grains, as I recall, and your gun should handle it fine with that bullet. (I do have a Ruger LCR that was pretty good out of the box and a 50 year old 1911 that are in the running.). . The .357 Magnum round is pushed to greater ballistic performance (add about another 600 fps and another 500 ft-lbs of energy, give or take) as well as a wealth of ammunition choices. It worked well in T/C barrels with bullets over 158 grains, and as near-max loads are usually compressed, it eliminated propellant position issues. I always attempt to stay in the mid range of the reload manual. bullets and 1800 (+) fps from 10" barrels at the short end of barrel lengths. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post Best to have at least one, in your favorite caliber, in the collection. While I do want one in .357 for ammo sharing with my handguns Id be open to one in .327 Federal as well. For the more meticulous shooters and those who like to experiment with the widest variety of bullet types. .358" jacketed, .357" jacketed, and cast lead bullets, just ask them to send the barrel to me to chamber for $105 post paid to you, billed separately by me. Factory throats are more like a forcing cone, done to keep pressures down, does zero for accuracy. But those new X models are very hard to get now. We discuss most anything here politely. And of course, such a gun would have to have a longer frame for the longer cylinder for the longer cartridge. Go to GB or GI and find yourself a Browning B-92 in .357. About 5 deer have fallen to that rifle/bullet combo, all of the bang-flop's at about 80 yards. Funny, but what popped into my head was Arkansas and Alaska arent benighted states. Nostalgia isnt relevance. While visiting Rugers New Hampshire facility in 1985, I learned that when the company built the California Highway Patrol Commemorative model of the No. Backorder OK. Slip Top 50 Smoke Ammo Box 38 /357 Mag /357 Max /38 ACP /38 Super. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. I admit that these articles about .357s have me thinking What the hell? Browning should build a plant in Utah and make them there, as they own the rights to Winchester now. .357 Maximums and the 9x72R, an old German rifle cartridge. Well, things are tough all over I guess. Joseph Von Benedikt is with Rafe Nielsen of Browning to take a look at a new X-Bolt series rifle. The fact is, .357 lever action rifles are proven game-getters, as they are well-suited to whitetail and hog hunting in thick timber at close(r) range, inside about 150 yards. Which chamber to choose? by Nath Thu Jul 19, 2012 3:30 pm, Post The Lil Gun and AA1680 are max loads from my searching tho I've seen several claim you can't get enough AA1680 in the case to overload it. No Tags. At that task, it has excelled for more than a century. Upon opening the box the gun was dirty and needed to be cleaned/oiled, not sure if the dust was from the shipping cardboard or lack of care in the shop before packing. My factory Maxi is a 1982 also. I would also point out that IHMSA was a. The max lead . In those area, they cant legally own an AR, AK, etc. Poppycock; the .357 Magnum is one of the best rounds for personal defense out there. Citadel Levtac-92 .357 Magnum Tactical-Lever! Low supplies and very high demand. It shoots pretty good. It is easy to load moderately for closer range shots and lighter recoil. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. That never happened with Ruger. When I lived in the mountains caretaking a state property, soon learned the first day of hunting season would see the deer herd moving onto the property, bedding down behind the residence and the snow plow shed. Past 20, pressure drops off and so do velocities. . . Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. by BAGTIC Mon Aug 13, 2012 5:14 pm, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. The amount of money, time and effort and the increased lever throw places a 357 Maximum lever gun so far down my list that it will never happen for me. Many Max shooters (myself included) find poor accuracy with magnum cases. The .357 Atomic was just a .357 loaded to higher than standard pressures. Welcome to the Leverguns.Com Forum. . And, re getting it looked at, yes; thing is, there arent too many smiths in my area who are comfortable working on lever-actions (and the ones that are, I dont trust). Caint answer Ur ? by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post Joseph Von Benedikt is with Jorge Spat to learn all about it. 1 single-shot rifle in .357 Magnum, extra rifles without the CHP markings were offered through employee sales. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! I was surprised I didnt see any comments about the Henry Big Boy X. I bought this in a .357 mag at BassPro for $800 and it has the side gate for loading. Ruger, super Blackhawk 357, maximum 10 1/2 inch barrel in excellent condition and fire very little comes with original box and papers. Get one batch of 360 brass from Starline for ammo to be loaded hot. While many manufacturers produce copper jacketed or semi-jacketed bullets, as well as spire point for better accuracy at longer ranges, you can cast your own bullets to load this caliber. Manufacturer Cimarron Firearms br brModel 1892 Lever Action Riflebr brSKU AS621br brCaliber .357 Magnumbr brCapacity 10 Roundsbr brBarrel Length  20 Oct CIM CA2903 CIM UBERTI 1894 RIFLE 38-55 26" Brand: CIMARRON FIREARMS CO Item Number: CIM CA2903 UPC: 814230101112 Cimarron Firearms, the leader in authentic replicas from America Glock #32 (357 Sig) -- #13 rounds magazine -- #3 Magazines and loader only! soft . Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. They usually hide it by using a 24" barreled rifle. Most of all it shoots the same ammo as a number of revolvers I have and reload for. Winchester 1892 Deluxe 357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifle with 24 Inch Octagon Barrel. Apparently it was a regular thing. rounds much more than the .22s. We manufacture Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition and much more. for a velocity of around 1836 fps. Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. Going price was 399.they didnt have any..but said they had a 45 Long Colt at a discount 299easy decision. by Chris83716 Thu Jul 19, 2012 2:35 pm, Post Designed to increase the range and pattern density of your favorite turkey gun. I wish I had bought more..or kept more ..lol. Its pleasant to shoot even with .357 mag. Because the title of the article is Five great not Five cheap.. The conversion was not troublesome at all other than a rebarrel and chamber job , it feeds with no modifications whatever needed. I wonder how the rimless version of the .357 Maximumthe .350 Legendwill fare. Shop online for discount .357 Remington Max ammunition from top ammo brands like Remington, Federal, Winchester, Hornady, CCI, Speer, and many more. There is a lot of muzzle flash with the Maximum. Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. It was way past the time Henry made a side loading gate Lever action rifle. JavaScript is disabled. Speaking of bullets, the .357 is one of the best cast-bullet rounds ever, so add a lead pot, a mould, and a pan of lube to the kit. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. Although some may not find this particular gun relevant, I think there are lots of pluses.
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