Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. More bad advice, did the author not learn from his first mistake? . And in my opinion , and this would be scary, Id bet my draw and cock against the draw rack the slide anytime. Situational risk assessment. If you 're considering a Glock handgun, make sure you have an armorer or gunsmith install it before trying to customize it. Usually I just get to see Colt SAAs with 16 chamber cylinders. His response could be ro shoot you with your gun. I can cycle the bolt almost as fast as I can take the safety off, even when I stepped on a black bear who was sleeping under a downed tree. Introduced in 2012, the Shield is thinner and lighter than the M&P Compact and features an improved trigger. Smh. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . I carried it un-chambered for a few weeks till I was comfortable. Farago sells out, the site gets taken over by snowflakes who spend every minute lining up sponsored content, and the content section gets taken over by trolls and vlads. If you try to have a healthy debate its always 100% of the time NOTHING but internet people telling other internet people that their particular opinion is wrong. 21 foot rule gets those people every time. On Firefox for my Linux machine it even goes right to the place on the page I was when I saved. Because they have no external safety, Glocks are quicker to draw and fire. Im not interested in Israeli carry of a firearm. The chamber under the hammer of any carried revolver is *irrelevant* for the first shot, since cocking the hammer of an SA or pulling the trigger on a DA advances the next chamber to the firing position. I thought I counted 17 in the battle scene in Open Range. Theyre both safe and useful within their own parameters, and people are free to choose the one they prefer. they took it so far, they had Glock make a special model Glock for them with a slightly stouter trigger spring. Always eith one in the chamber, hammer down and safety off. Do not ever suggest they change a true classic. This means that if the hammer is carried down on a live round, the firing pin will still not be able to touch the primer, even though the hammer is sitting right down on the pin. So the only downside of the top chamber being empty is one less round available before reloading. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: Here's my situation: Carrying the pistol with a round in the chamber freaks me out. Which gun would you choose if you could only have ONE each of: Rimfire rifle, rimfire pistol, centerfire rifle, centerfire pistol, and shotgun? In fact, it uses S&W Shield Plus magazines. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. When she holstered her Glock .40 it went off and the bullet went down her leg utterly destroying it. Actually I carry a revolver, which is 1000% better at typical bad breath self defense ranges than an AR and 100% better than a semi-auto pistol that will get pushed out of battery on a contact shot. The answer is "yes." Milliseconds count. Keep your finger off of it and your should be good to go. After all people driving cars kill more people than people holding firearms. It could easily tuck into a nightstand safe or tossed into a range bag. Glock dominates the handgun market in both the United States and around the globe. Modern revolvers (Smith & Wesson, Taurus, Ruger, Kimber) have transfer bar safeties and as such theres no need to mention it.. I dont know who else to contact. Only ONE centerfire pistol? Carrying on an empty chamber is probably one of the most common beginner mistakes I hear. I still counted 16, but when he starts fanning it gets a little hard to keep track. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. Ive said it once, Ill say it again. I always wanted to see in a western someone who knew he was about to get into a gunfight slip that 6th round into his Colt SAA. I think the controversy is whether or not a loaded magazine with an empty chamber constitutes an unloaded gun. That was back in the 1970s somewhere. You need to load the gun, aim and fire while under stress in the event that you actually need to use it. Haha. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Thanks for the tip. And I include all the copy cat weapons as well as they are as common as the common cold. When suddenly a rabbit rushes out of the brush, I sometimes forget to switch off the safety. Carrying On An Empty Chamber. Apply the 21 foot rule. Nice catch. I have yet to find a dumb ass vaccine. Guess what? For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. I am thinking G2S, my ankle sometimes gets chilly, but, Im happy with my PA-63 In 918, and I have a CZ, in 918, that has the best SA trigger Ive ever felt, since the Smith S.S. Model 66, .357 which was accurized, and tweaked by a smith, that was flat out dangerous, hair wasnt the word. Which gets me to this. And I do not carry them ever. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. Some extras, just in case one breaks? But in any case, the inertia must lie directly in line with the round, and then the round must stop suddenly, like when the muzzle hits the ground. OthersI just didnt think about and for some pretty good reasons. So I traded it. I will still carry unchambered. Pray the opponent was just carrying a Taser and not a knife. Anything is possible, which is why the smart move is to play to the best probabilities. I dont condemn those who carry a striker with one in the chamber. That scenario is at least as plausible as a robbery. Does the gun have a firing block mechanism. Old model Ruger Blackhawks which have not been converted should be carried with the hammer down on an empty chamber, just like Colt SAAs and other vintage and replica SA revolvers. So in 2019, are you telling a revolver carrier to carry only 4 bullets instead of five?? I am at a point in my life that I seem to lose a bit more of something every day and way I see it , I can actually admit to myself that I dont totally trust me without that little conscience click of the safety anymore . (I dont think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.). The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe, and I understand Glocks are way far overrepresented in the annals of ND, which is very easy to understand. For those of you that don't know, "Israeli Carry" is the practice carrying a pistol without a round in the chamber. Again, though, training is the answer. What is the I.33 for humidor and candle or Grndtliche Beschreibung der Kunst des Fechtens for bananas?;-). Folks, a GLOCK (or any other striker-fired pistol) is perfectly safe with a little intelligence combined with a bit of assiduity. A GLOCK does not have an external manual safety. The general answer is most certainly yes however there are a few considerations. you roll the dice. Made up a little fixture to hold the gun on a piece of pipe, stood up on a ladder and let the gun fall onto its muzzle. Does the Glock fire then? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s I own several safes, and none of them fit in my holster. Run what you brung. If you forget to check the chamber just one time in you life its Sayounara . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The safety either keeps the trigger from being pulled or blocks the cartridge from being struck by the firing pin so it cant go off. This should convince you that your glock is safe to carry chamber loaded and you won't have to worry about blowing your 'nads off. Even my beloved Browning High Powers (all 6 f them) gave me fits until I found some expanding ammo that would work reliably in them. My God, WTF is wrong with people who bash others for simply doing what they choose to do? Between the trigger safety, the firing pin safety and the drop safety I feel very comfortable carrying it chambered. Of course theres a difference between driving and shooting. No safety needs to include a stiff, lengthy trigger pull, like the LC9, or a DA revolver. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales. . Well, now, lets analyze this a bit deeper, shall we? The Glock trigger is too light and too short to be safe. Many people think walking around with a loaded gun is dangerous, irresponsible, and paranoid. The Glock 26 Gen 4 weighs approximately 25 ounces with a loaded magazine. Even pistols with no manual safety, like this Glock, are safe to carry with a round chambered. Love the Quigly Down Under reference. Those who scream that everybody who doesnt think exactly like them, pick the same options as them, etc., are dumb for not recognizing that they are perfection itself, are just more of the loads of SJW types out for attention by putting everything and everybody down, to make themselves feel a bit better about not having a life. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. While holstering, train yourself to make damn sure theres nothing in the way. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. In that book, they suggest that the proper way to carry a semi . or not. Normally, empty chamber carry adds an average of maybe 2/10ths of a second. I actually think thats worth a healthy debate and article all on its own. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. When I carry a semiautomatic pistol for self defense, the chamber is loaded and the safety is on. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. Like what would happen if the gun was dropped, and then lands on its muzzle. If I was gona carry an empty gun Id carry a full sized 1911, that way if I had to throw it at somebody it would weigh enough to hurt when it him them. I usually carry chambered with a revolver or my .25 but the trigger on my new Glock 19 is so easy I am not yet comfortable carrying chambered because there is no manual safety. I carry locked, loaded with a extra clip close by. Why, I havent the slightest idea. Hes squirmy and all over the place. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. Jordan Buck is an outdoor writer, a man of faith, and a family man. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? A great capability, because a dud round will usually fire upon a second strike, and your finger is going to automatically do that anyway. But as Sam has pointed out, one needs to practice and I have. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. Introducing an unchambered firearm means you only have one hand, at best, firmly gripping the pistol. If thats a problem, dont carry a firearm. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. It's a small handgun that is easy to carry, chambered for a very powerful cartridge, and priced so a working man can easily afford it. The most obvious one is we have an external safety. Heres how all of this bogus started. I turn it into the five gun question instead. I think five guns is the bare minimum, and thats how I always answer the one gun question. I submit extremely unlikely. . Or ya know, apply the tried by 12 or carried by 6 rule. I carry a LC9, no problem. Here's video that GLOCK produced that explains the trigger safety. Because there are a lot of areas where carrying a firearm will bite you if you cant get it right. Didnt fire..interesting. I carry with a round chambered in my autoloading handguns. There are 5 in the house right now; computer room (where I am) living room, bathroom floor (beside the throne) and both sides of the bed. and yes i train and rehearse that And you should be, too. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? They will not fire unless someone puts their finger on the trigger and squeezes. when I was in the Harris County, Texas courts, I saw many LEOs that had semi-auto pistols with one in the chamber and the hammer cocked and the holster strap between the hammer and the slide. It's a mental block you will have to outgrow. without going into details i have it set up that theres no way anybody gets in my house at night without making enough noise for a long enough time that i wont have enough time to wake up and get my wits about me and get my firearm and charge it while on my way to the threat Id rather they stop production than change a design thats gone on unchanged for as long as it has. You'll want to train yourself one way or the other. The Sig 320 problem was that it had an internal block but dropping (or smacking it with a hammer) could make the trigger move to disengage the firing pin block. Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. *, Keep your damn finger out of the trigger guard until your sights are on a target you intend to shoot and you should be training to do that automatically *even* while under stress. A typing error, or wishful thinking? So Move. Third, the reason that actual experts (I would say I am knowledgeable to a point, but an expert I am not) recommend NOT carrying in Condition Three is for the reason that it takes a lot of training and repetition to get truly proficient and most people with a lot of training and proficiency dont carry their pistol unloaded. Is it just something one has to get used to? A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. That chit will get you *illed in a real shtf. The ground is about the best bullet backstop one can get. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. It has a safety, but I dont really care about that. The claim is that because Glocks have no safety and a super light trigger, they accidentally shoot people. I lost a whitetail in heavy cover to the click when the safety is released. Still no safety. We can talk about the merits of being able to shoot effectivly one handed. To sum up: there were a few objections to my original post that, on their face, had some truth to them. And so easy to correct. Someone with little firearms experience who feels over confident in his/her carry technique is more likely to find him/herself in trouble. A few overly trigger-happy officers within a department and a sly PR department really spun yarns on this one. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'guntradition_com-leader-1','ezslot_8',113,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-leader-1-0');I do know one engineer who figured out that if it was dropped from 221 feet and it lands on the right angle squarely on its barrel, it could possibly go off, but the bullet would immediately strike the ground and not do much after that. Unchambered carry is a bad idea because: Cocked and locked . Weight: 22.9 oz. Being an *untrained* klutz is something entirely different. I used to carry a Walther PPQ. I know, its a big word, all scary long and has lots of syllables, but try it out. Do other people carry Glocks in IWB holsters with chambered rounds? Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. carrying or keeping a gun with a round in the chamber, Standard Manufacturings New S333 Revolver Fires Two .22 WMR Rounds at a Time, District of Columbia AG Subpoenas NRA Foundation Financial Records, Gov. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. Well your odds of dying of heart disease is about a thousand times more likely than dying from a criminal attack, so, maybe something to think about. Does the Mossad or other Israeli special services Israeli carry? I doubt it. Despite its . If I feel the urge to admire, use and hold a finely engineered machine I might just as likely pull out and ogle any one of my watches, of my bicycles, of my cars, of my surgical instruments, of my fountain pens or of my firearms. But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). No thanks. Same here. In non service activities, all occurred either nearly cheek to cheek, face to face, or less than 3 ft. when chit went south, and it happens so fast, Id bet few if any pro operators could rack then stack em 7. JavaScript is disabled. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. Break into my house and well see how seriously you take a couple .44 mag slugs to the chest. Only, dumb guys wouldnt understand that. That is a good point that I have never heard before. Certified Glock Armorer, Colt Armorer, FN Armorer, Beretta Armorer, Smith and Wesson revolvers Armorer. Its just not for me, especially as I get into my golden years. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on?